{"id":123932,"date":"2024-11-09T17:59:44","date_gmt":"2024-11-09T10:59:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hotvideos24.online\/?p=123932"},"modified":"2024-11-09T17:59:44","modified_gmt":"2024-11-09T10:59:44","slug":"inside-trump-world-as-the-next-chapter-begins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hotvideos24.online\/?p=123932","title":{"rendered":"Inside Trump World as the Next Chapter Begins"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-3711241968723425\"\r\n     crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script>\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"fluid\"\r\n     data-ad-layout-key=\"-fb+5w+4e-db+86\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-3711241968723425\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"7910942971\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div id=\"\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\"\/>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">This transcript was created using speech recognition software. While it has been reviewed by human transcribers, it may contain errors. Please review the episode audio before quoting from this transcript and email transcripts@nytimes.com with any questions.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">From \u201cThe New York Times,\u201d I\u2019m Michael Barbaro. This is \u201cThe Daily.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[THEME MUSIC]<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Today, as Donald Trump prepares to retake the White House, my colleagues, Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman, take us inside the final days of his campaign and inside his early planning for a second administration.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[THEME MUSIC]<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">It\u2019s Friday, November 8.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So Maggie and Jonathan, thank you for making time for us from sunny Palm Beach, Florida, where I know you are not basking in the sun, but covering the early hours of President-Elect Donald Trump. I appreciate you making time for us.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Thanks for having us.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Thank you for having us.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And you are there because you were piecing together the final weeks and days of the Trump campaign and now are piecing together Trump\u2019s plan for a second administration. And those are the two sides of the episode that we really want to cover with you today. So let\u2019s start, Jonathan, with what you have learned about that last stretch of the Trump campaign, inside that operation leading up to its victory on Tuesday, and how it may have differed from the way it looked from the outside.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Well, it was sort of an interesting situation, because as reporters who cover Trump \u2014 I\u2019ve been covering him for nine years. Maggie\u2019s been covering him even longer than that. But we basically spent all day, every day talking to people in his orbit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And so it was this very interesting experience of watching a lot of coverage in the last week, which showed sort of a vibe shift, if you want. Trump was out there doing these rallies where it was almost like this absurdist experiment to see how much self-harm he could inflict and get away with. But there was also this other side to it, which was his campaign\u2019s internal data was very consistent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Tony Fabrizio, his chief pollster, his private polling throughout this campaign consistently showed that Donald Trump would win this election. And there was a real gap between a lot of the public polling and what Tony Fabrizio\u2019s private polling was showing. And so it was this weird, bifurcated situation where rationally they thought they were going to win, because their internal data showed that, but there was this anxiety, worrying inside them, because you never know if your data is right. Everyone\u2019s just making assumptions about modeling and turnout. And the candidate was out there doing and saying things that would sink any normal candidate.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Well, Maggie, how great was the anxiety within the Trump campaign about the first half of what Jonathan just described, the kind of self-harming candidate on stage, in contrast with the second part, the confidence that they felt around their internal polling?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He has been the purest version of himself publicly in the last few months of this race. And really, the biggest moment of anxiety for the campaign came this past Sunday \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">[crowd chanting, &#8220;usa&#8221;]<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\"\/>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And a very, very special hello to Pennsylvania. What a great \u2014 what a great place.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">\u2014 when he held a morning rally in Pennsylvania. And \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And I tell you what, I love being off these stupid teleprompters because the truth comes out.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[CROWD CHEERING]<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">It was a rambling, meandering, grouchy delivery that was filled with his complaints and his grievances.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I said, We had the safest border in the history of our country the day that I left. I shouldn\u2019t have left. I mean, honestly, because we did so \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He stated that he shouldn\u2019t have left the White House in 2020.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And I don\u2019t mind that so much, \u2018cause \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And also was musing about reporters being shot.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So I have a piece of glass here. And the problem with that glass is, I don\u2019t look great on television when you have a 4-inch piece of glass \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And at the end of that rally, before he stopped talking, Susie Wiles, his top campaign advisor, was seen walking \u2014 and she never does this or never used to do this when he was campaigning \u2014 was seen walking out to the stage and she stood with sunglasses on.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">There\u2019s a point having to do with that point. And you go wing, wing.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Clearly just looking at him \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[GIBBERISH]: And it\u2019s a very complex \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">\u2014 trying to get him to look toward her, basically for the point of let\u2019s wrap it up. And at that point, he didn\u2019t wrap it up entirely, but he did get back on his teleprompter.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And we will make America great again. Thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">The worry was that even though, as it would ultimately turn out, Tony Fabrizio\u2019s data was incredibly on target, it was really, really close to on the number in every single battleground state, it\u2019s hard to predict what can influence voters\u2019 behavior in the final two days in the lead up to Election Day.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And we know, of course, that none of it hurt him. His instinct was right that the internal polling was not going to be taken off track by a wild version of Trump. So now I want you to bring us to the end of this journey, to election night itself, and what it was like inside his Palm Beach headquarters up until the moment, I guess, when he realized that he had won.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So Trump spent election night at Mar-a-Lago. And election days tend to have lots of unverified, anecdotal stuff coming out of different precincts and what have you. And in the afternoon, there were reports coming from lots of different sources that Democratic turnout was through the roof in Philadelphia and Detroit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So the Trump people were trying to figure out how real was that. They were getting concerned. And clearly, that filtered back to Donald Trump because he started posting on Truth Social about hearing about massive fraud in Philadelphia and Detroit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">But a lot of that anxiety had melted away by about 9 o\u2019clock when the returns were coming in, and it was clear that Kamala Harris was just not getting the kind of numbers that she needed in suburban areas, in states like Texas and Virginia. And the Trump team were assuming, correctly, that her underperformance in those other states was probably going to transfer to the Blue Wall states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So I would say by about 9:00, 9:30, the Trump campaign was feeling very, very confident of victory.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And, Maggie, what stands out to you about your communications with people in the Trump campaign around this time and your understanding of how Trump is processing what, I suppose, becomes a growing consensus of those around him that he is gonna prevail.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So during this period of time, Trump at Mar-a-Lago is joined by people like Elon Musk, a number of his advisors. His family is there. The mood starts to get very jubilant. It is clear to his team that he is almost certain to win, although that would not become clear to the public for a little bit. But the networks still had not called the race.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Right. Always a source of serious tension within Trump world and for Trump himself.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">At least in the last two elections, yes. And so eventually, some of his aides started pressuring the networks to call it.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording 1<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">We got to jump back in. Sorry, guys, back to you.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording 2<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Trace, thank you.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And they did eventually call it.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording 2<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">The FOX News Decision Desk can now officially project that Donald Trump will become the 47th president of the United States.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">You know, one thing that was interesting being in the convention center was the big screens were playing FOX.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (kayleigh mcenany)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And I just want to say this, as we wait for him to come out, I remember having a conversation with Ivanka Trump in 2016 about his remarks.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And as so often happens with FOX, you see some of the hosts almost coaching Trump through the TV.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (kayleigh mcenany)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">\u2014 and said he wanted to heal the nation. And the first words he said were an appreciation for Hillary Clinton for her service to our country. And then he said, now \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So you had Kayleigh McEnany, his former press secretary, basically saying how this was a wonderful opportunity for Donald Trump to be a unifier.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Thank you very much. Wow.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">[crowd chanting, &#8220;usa&#8221;]<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\"\/>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So the big question on people\u2019s minds, what\u2019s Trump gonna say? Is he gonna be a unifier? And \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I will govern by a simple motto, \u201cpromises made, promises kept.\u201d We\u2019re gonna keep our promises.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">\u2014 there were little notes of that. But you know \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And I\u2019ve said, go into the enemy camp. And you know the enemy camp is certain networks.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He called the media the enemy and sort of went off on digressions, talking about Elon Musk\u2019s rockets.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And I saw that rocket and I saw it coming down. I saw it. When it left, it was beautiful, shiny, white. When it came down \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He basically just went into rally mode.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">God bless you. And God bless America. Thank you very much. Thank you.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And he has won. That\u2019s basically the vibe in the Trump orbit is, we have defeated you. We have defeated the media. We have defeated the legal system. And there is a confidence and a swagger, and a \u201cwe can basically do what we want\u201d vibe right now.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">That\u2019s what you feel when you talk to them. And there\u2019s always been an element of that in Trump\u2019s world. But I would say it\u2019s even more acute now than I\u2019ve ever seen it.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">To that point, the world\u2019s reaction to Trump\u2019s victory, at least the elite world of corporate leaders and heads of state, really seemed to bolster that feeling of not just victory, but in the words of these people who reacted to it, like extraordinary victory. And I think it\u2019s worth spending a little bit of time with some of the congratulatory messages that Trump got.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yeah, one of the most notable was from Bibi Netanyahu, Israel\u2019s prime minister, who put out this post on X, formerly known as Twitter, gushing about how this is one of history\u2019s greatest comebacks. And it was a picture of himself with Trump that was one of many along those lines.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Right. And that language, Maggie, it doesn\u2019t seem like a normal head of state vocabulary selection. I mean, when a foreign head of state tells you that you have pulled off \u2014 and I\u2019m looking at it now \u2014 quote, \u201cHistory\u2019s greatest comeback,\u201d and the next sentence involves the phrase, \u201chistoric return.\u201d And as if that were not enough, \u201chuge victory\u201d later on in the same tweet. That seems literally tailor-made to light certain parts of Donald Trump\u2019s brain up.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yeah, look, it\u2019s certainly true that it was a historic comeback. It is true that we haven\u2019t seen anything like this in US history, given what Trump comes into the office with, which is a criminal conviction, and all sorts of other controversies and how he left office last time. But you are correct that every world leader got the memo in Trump\u2019s first term, and they clearly now know heading into this one, what he likes to hear. And they understand that in order to get favor with him, the conversation has to begin with that.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Right. The result, though, Jonathan, and this just was genuinely fascinating, was a universe of these congratulatory notes that literally seemed like they had been written by the same consultant who had figured out what words should be used across the board, whether it was Volodymyr Zelensky or Jeff Bezos.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I\u2019m not sure you need a consultant. We\u2019re not talking about \u2014<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">\u2014 we\u2019re not talking about a great deal of psychological complexity here. These are sort of like, Mr. Trump, you are amazing. Your victory is so big, the biggest, the greatest, the most historic. I mean, it\u2019s almost like the letters he used to receive from Kim Jong Un.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yeah, since the election, we\u2019ve heard from several people that Trump is essentially his happiest version of himself.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">[mid-tempo music]<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He is relaxed. These criminal cases against him are about to evaporate in one way or another.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And we\u2019ll talk about that more in just a moment.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He knows that he had a decisive victory. He\u2019s wandering around Mar-a-Lago in a great mood, fielding calls from people, basically like a conquering victor. But very soon will come the part that he likes far less than winning, which is actually governing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[MUSIC PLAYING]<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">We\u2019ll be right back.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">OK, so, Maggie and Jonathan, let\u2019s turn now to how Trump is thinking about a second term administration and this much harder business of governing. Of course, before you can govern, you have to transition, which is a pretty formal process. You have to staff an entire administration. How is he thinking about that?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">From a very 30,000-foot view, Michael. I mean, there are very few cabinet roles that he cares about. Attorney General is the main one. The Secretary of Defense is another. And the CIA Director is another.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Beyond that, he had almost no use for his cabinet in his last term. That\u2019s not gonna change dramatically this time. And there have been a bunch of discussions about names, but he has not wanted to personally engage in them, until postelection.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Why not?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He is superstitious. And he was like this in 2016 as well. He did not want to talk about transition. It\u2019s the same reason all three campaigns ended in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He is all about a rabbit\u2019s foot, essentially. And in his mind, talking about planning a government before you\u2019ve won is bad luck.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He also gets angry when people bring it up because, in his mind, money being spent on this, time being spent on this is money and time that\u2019s not spent on him winning. So there was this sort of unwritten, unspoken edict in his orbit, which is, we\u2019re gonna do transition preparations, but don\u2019t bring it up with the big guy too much. We\u2019ll keep him a little bit apprised of it, but basically don\u2019t talk about it in his presence.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So there has been a transition operation going on. Howard Lutnick, who runs Cantor Fitzgerald, is a friend of Trump\u2019s, has been running the personnel side of the transition. Linda McMahon, who served in Trump\u2019s administration, wealthy donor, friend of Trump\u2019s, she\u2019s been a cochair, nominally at least, overseeing the policy side of the transition. There has been work going on. There are lists being developed. But no one has spent less time thinking about policy detail and really deep thought about personnel than Donald Trump.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Well, Jonathan, to Maggie\u2019s point, if just a few of these cabinet roles really matter to Trump, and we can assume that those around him, like you just said, are thinking about who might staff those jobs, I wonder if you and, Maggie, you as well, might be prepared to talk about some of the names of the people being considered for these really crucial jobs. If they get them, they will become household names over the next four years.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Well, one person who\u2019s really important, I think, will be really important is John Ratcliffe. He served at the end of Trump\u2019s first term as his director of National Intelligence. Everyone in Trump\u2019s orbit pretty much at the senior level agrees that he will play a significant role in the second term. What that role is, I don\u2019t know. There are people who want him to be Attorney General. He may head up an intelligence agency.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And what should we know about Ratcliffe other than what I know, which is very little \u2014 he was a Republican Congressman from Texas \u2014 if he\u2019s being considered for these huge jobs?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">There are different variations of people in Trump world. And there are people who are willing to go further than others. So when people talk about the final days of the first Trump term, you had him wanting to appoint Jeff Clark as attorney general. Jeff Clark was eager to overturn the election, helping Trump.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">John Ratcliffe wasn\u2019t really involved in that and is at least seen \u2014 and I want to be clear, I\u2019m talking in relative terms. He\u2019s definitely someone who is loyal to Trump, who Trump likes, who will do things that Trump wants, and absolutely on board with his agenda. But he\u2019s not viewed in the same category as someone who would potentially do more \u2014 let\u2019s say, more legally adventurous things. Remember, Jeff Clark got indicted for his efforts. John Ratcliffe was not indicted.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So there are different degrees. And there are people like Kash Patel, who served in his first term. And Trump wanted to make him the deputy CIA director at the end. He\u2019s someone who is regarded in Trump world as someone where if Trump tells him to do something, there\u2019s really not viewed as being much pushback ever.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And then there are others who are more conventional. If you look at some of the economic positions, Trump likes having Wall Street billionaires, rich people in these jobs. He likes credentials. So I think there\u2019s going to be a lot of tensions between hardcore ideologues, people who want to enable some of Trump\u2019s most radical impulses and then the business crowd who he\u2019s attracted to. And I think you\u2019re going to see these really interesting collisions in the next two months between these different camps.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">How do we expect some of the tensions that you are beginning to describe between a populist, nativist, right-wing America-first ideology and some of the people who may end up being in the administration, particularly from the business world, who might say, wait a minute? How do you expect those tensions to play out on the policy front? I mean, I think of an issue like immigration and Trump\u2019s promise \u2014 we talked to both of you about this \u2014 to begin mass deportations as a pretty classic example of something that might bring those tensions to life.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">We\u2019ve talked a lot about this, Jonathan and I have. We were talking about this actually earlier today that there is going to be a push-pull between the maximalist agenda that someone like Stephen Miller, his top policy advisor and speechwriter, has pushed for a very long time and that Trump has echoed on the campaign trail for years now, with Trump\u2019s antipathy for what he would call bad headlines, and with business leaders being unhappy, and with the potential ramifications in the stock market, which he considers his pole.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Does he fear, Maggie, that if you start deporting enough immigrants that suddenly the corporate world takes note, says things, and the stock market starts to plunge, because a lot of corporations rely on that labor?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yeah, I\u2019m not describing strict causation here. But I am saying that there are policies that corporate America favors on immigration, such as a specific type of work visa for people to come work at their companies.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Right. And you don\u2019t even need to get too speculative about this. Like we saw this play out in his first term. To Maggie\u2019s point, you had people like Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, in his ear talking about legal immigration. So he kind of veered from the most hardline positions to less hardline. It\u2019s very hard to predict.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">What Trump has said on the campaign trail is he\u2019s gonna do the biggest deportation operation in American history. This is a military-sized scale of operation, building large camps, detaining people. The amount of coercive force required from the state to pull this off is enormous.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">That is going to guarantee really tough media coverage, really heart-wrenching images of families who\u2019ve lived here a long time being pulled apart. So there\u2019s going to be this competing impulse of, I promised this, I said I was going to do it, we want to do shock and awe on immigration, ergo, we do it versus people who will tell him about the economic effects of some of this, what it might do to the markets, et cetera.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And Trump, this is something he obsesses over privately. He\u2019s said this a million times to people, which is he doesn\u2019t want to be Herbert Hoover. He always talks \u2014 he\u2019s got Herbert Hoover in his head.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Should we just establish for everybody who wants to think they know who Herbert Hoover is, but maybe forgot? President of the United States during the period where the Great Depression begins.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">One thing, Michael, too, that\u2019s an unknown to the points that Jonathan was making about why we can\u2019t tell which competing impulse wins out at the end of the day with him on certain policies or personnel. He\u2019s not running for re-election. He is constitutionally barred from seeking another term.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Does that free him to revert to the person who claimed to want to make peace? Or does that free him to finish this pro-revenge agenda that he\u2019s been talking about for several years now. And we will find out in short order.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Or both.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Correct, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Well, you guys are \u2014 you\u2019re teeing up what I\u2019d hoped would be our next subject when it comes to policy, which is retribution. We\u2019ve talked to both of you and our colleague, Charlie Savage, a lot about this in episodes we did preparing our listeners for what a second Trump term would look like.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And we returned again and again to Trump\u2019s plans to use the Department of Justice to investigate, perhaps even prosecute his enemies, including Democratic members of Congress, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, the list goes on and on. How quickly, depending on who is in various positions of his administration, do you suspect that a campaign of retribution might begin after this administration begins?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Michael, he\u2019s already beginning to try to go after, legally, news organizations.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Really?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yeah, they\u2019re suing CBS for, I think, it\u2019s $10 billion. They already have a suit against ABC News that started many months ago. So that will be one tactic. I think you\u2019re going to see various aspects of attempts at retribution, certainly against the media, in the coming weeks.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And part of what they\u2019ve talked about this campaign is removing pockets of independence from the executive branch and that includes the agencies that regulate the news media. So what does that mean? We\u2019ll find out.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">But it\u2019s not exactly a mystery. He has been threatening the licenses of networks for months and months and months and months and months. There\u2019s also other tactics which are not necessarily using the government, but you could expect investigations, leak investigations, DOJ, subpoenaing reporters\u2019 phones as they did last time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">That\u2019s why the attorney general appointment is so important, because the way he uses DOJ will at least, in part, be shaped by who occupies that position. Does he appoint, as he promised, a special prosecutor to go after Joe Biden\u2019s family? I don\u2019t know, he said he\u2019d do it. Promises made, promises kept. All of those things are possibilities that not only are foreseeable, but are foreseen, where we have reported all of this stuff extensively for the last two years.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Maggie, it feels worth noting, since we\u2019re talking about the appointment of someone like the attorney general, that the United States Senate has a role in confirming such positions. And that Republicans just won control of the US Senate from Democrats, and I suspect by the end, may have a healthy enough margin of around 54 Republicans in the Senate, that most of these appointments would sail through. Do you suspect that there\u2019s anyone the Trump administration would put up for Senate confirmation that this Senate wouldn\u2019t confirm?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">There are, Michael. And it\u2019s going to depend on how wide their margin is. If they end up with 53 seats, that\u2019s still going to make it hard to get through some of the most controversial potential choices, like Kash Patel. The reason for that is that there are a couple of senators still, Republican senators or senators who vote with the Republicans, who would object to somebody who\u2019s incredibly controversial, who wouldn\u2019t just rubber stamp, necessarily anyway. So somebody like Susan Collins \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">It would take three of them.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Correct \u2014 or Lisa Murkowski, or the incoming senator from Utah, people like that could end up deciding, actually, this is a bridge too far, I\u2019m going to object. They tend not to be fully aligned with Trump. However, the likelihood is that he will still just put those people in the White House in nonconfirmed jobs, in advisory roles.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">To Maggie\u2019s point, I was talking to someone who\u2019s close to Trump, and they were speculating to me that the White House becomes the home for the unconfirmable. So if you have been indicted one too many times and whatever, the White House might be the place for you. And one story that didn\u2019t actually get a lot of attention, I think it\u2019s one of the most important stories that Maggie, me, and Charlie Savage wrote this whole cycle.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I read it.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I\u2019m glad you read it. Basically, people close to Trump, chiefly his top legal advisor, Boris Epshteyn, effectively want to do away with the security clearance process, or at least the FBI\u2019s involvement in it. So when you need to get a top-level security clearance, there is FBI background checks and the National Security intelligence apparatus is involved. Well, in Trump\u2019s world, that is the evil deep state.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">So there was a memo written that we reported on, that Boris Epshteyn advocated for, that suggested moving that process outside of government and effectively having private investigators doing it at the behest of the Trump people. Trump could, on his first day, issue an executive order with a list of names, 200 people, these people hereby have security clearances. And this could have real national security implications if they follow through on this.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">If you are somebody who is an agent of a foreign power and you want to have access to the most sensitive secrets in the US government, being vetted by some two-bit outside firm instead of the FBI is a good way to slip through the net. So again, we didn\u2019t report that decision has been made, but it\u2019s being discussed. And if they do follow through on it, it could allow people who are not just controversial, but actually may have real malicious intent into the top levels of government.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Maggie, while we are on the subject of those with problematic pasts, I think a lot of our listeners are going to be extremely curious about what exactly happens to all of the federal and local cases against Donald Trump. In the first half of our conversation here today, you began to hint at the idea that Trump sees his re-election as a victory over those cases.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">But just technically, mechanically, how does the president start to dispatch with these cases? And when do we start to see them go away? Do they start to go away even before he\u2019s president as a kind of anticipatory issue? Or does his attorney general, if and when confirmed, start to just systematically destroy them?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">A year and a half ago, Donald Trump, after his myriad of indictments, was telling people that if he won, these cases are all going to go away. And what we know now is that Jack Smith, the special counsel who indicted him twice, has started having conversations about how to unwind these cases, because there is an Office of Legal Counsel memo from the Justice Department that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">And so while he was indicted before this, this still raises all of these complications. So whether it is Jack Smith withdrawing the indictments or whether it\u2019s the ultimate attorney general doing it, we don\u2019t know. But those cases are not going to continue, almost certainly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">There is the New York case, which he\u2019s been convicted in. And there\u2019s going to be a ruling next week about whether the Supreme Court\u2019s decision, granting broad immunity to presidential acts, actually counted in that case. He\u2019s currently scheduled to be sentenced criminally in that case on November 26. I think the chances that a newly-elected president is going to be sentenced to prison are close to zero. So we\u2019ll see what that looks like.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">In other words, a local judge, not under any strict federal legal guidance about prosecuting a sitting president \u2014 that would just apply, it seems, to federal cases \u2014 might, out of deference to that kind of a legal guidance, just say, I can\u2019t do this.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yes. It\u2019s really hard to see that case resulting in much at this point. And that will hold true for the prosecution in Georgia, as well, where Trump has been indicted.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I mean, Jonathan, in a way, the fate of those cases that Maggie just outlined is a reminder \u2014 as if we needed another. It\u2019s become very clear in this conversation \u2014 of just how sweeping a victory this second term election of Trump really is. I mean, we\u2019ve talked about how, with Nate Cohn, this is a political realignment. We talked with Peter Baker for yesterday\u2019s episode about how this may end up becoming a policy realignment on all kinds of issues \u2014 trade, immigration.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">But in the way that you two are describing what\u2019s happening, especially with these legal cases, among other things, it\u2019s also a profound personal vindication of the man himself. I mean, just absorbing what you are saying, Maggie. He will have wiped out any legal repercussions for behavior that in the eyes of very well-respected prosecutors, both locally and federally, were criminal.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">He has all but defeated any form of accountability.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yes, correct.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">What is the form of accountability now? The Supreme Court has ruled that a president is immune for official acts, which may have a very broad meaning. There\u2019s no universe in which this composition of Congress impeaches Donald Trump for anything.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Congressional oversight, particularly if Republicans take the House, there will be really very little oversight. The news media, in the eyes of many Americans, is discredited. More than half the country have tuned out the mainstream media. We\u2019re now in little information silos. So it\u2019s almost impossible to overstate how much Donald Trump has defeated the system and how favorable the current composition of the system is for Donald Trump.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">[low-tempo music]<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\"\/>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Well, to both of you, we are extremely grateful for your time when you\u2019re this exhausted after the election. So thank you very much.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">maggie haberman<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Thank you, Michael.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">jonathan swan<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Thanks for having us.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">On Thursday afternoon, after we spoke with Maggie and Jonathan, Trump named the first member of his administration, appointing Susie Wiles as his White House Chief of Staff. Wiles, a longtime Republican operative, oversaw Trump\u2019s 2024 campaign and would become the first woman to ever hold the title of White House Chief of Staff.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[MUSIC PLAYING]<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">We\u2019ll be right back.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Here\u2019s what else you need to know today.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (joe biden)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Yesterday, I spoke with President-Elect Trump to congratulate him on his victory. And I assured him that I\u2019d direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition. That\u2019s what the American people deserve.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">On Thursday, President Biden addressed the outcome of an election in which his former opponent prevailed and his vice president was defeated.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (joe biden)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">I know for some people, it\u2019s a time for victory, to state the obvious. For others, it\u2019s a time of loss.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Biden, eager to move beyond the divisions of the campaign, issued a national call for both unity and civility.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (joe biden)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">You can\u2019t love your country only when you win. You can\u2019t love your neighbor only when you agree. Something I hope we can do no matter who you voted for, to see each other not as adversaries, but as fellow Americans. Bring down the temperature.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[THEME MUSIC]<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Remember, you can catch a new episode of \u201cThe Interview\u201d right here tomorrow. This week, Lulu speaks with former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi about the outcome of the election and what\u2019s next for Democrats.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<dl class=\"css-1jysr6y\">\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">archived recording (nancy pelosi)<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">The only, shall we say, peace of mind that we have today is that we don\u2019t have the assault on the system, that it would have been there, had Kamala Harris won.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<dt class=\"css-xx7kwh\">michael barbaro<\/dt>\n<dd class=\"css-4gvq6l\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Today\u2019s episode was produced by Mary Wilson, Alex Stern, and Rob Szypko. It was edited by Michael Benoist and Rachel Quester, contains original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, and Sophia Lanman, and was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsverk of Wonderly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">[THEM MUSIC]<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">That\u2019s it for \u201cThe Daily.\u201d I\u2019m Michael Barbaro. 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